November 8, 2024

9 thoughts on “Geoff Tate – ‘Kings And Thieves’ Album Review

  1. The last song sounds like something that could have fit on Q2K. The slide guitar is a Kelly Gray trademark from a Q2K b-side called “Howl”, I don’t think its anywhere near reminscent of Empire.

    1. Well, obviously we’ll have to agree to differ on that point. ‘Empire’ is, of course, very much a different point in Geoff’s career, but on the other hand I would argue that the stylistic elements – a heavier use of synth, a greater emphasis on ballads than on previous albums – did much to inform Geoff’s latter day career. On the subject of Kelly’s distinctive guitar sound, however, you are absolutely correct – that element of the song is (unsurprisingly) very Q2k but that doesn’t mean the overall feel of the composition is. Thank you, anyway, for your feedback – I suspect this album is liable to be fairly controversial and it’s good to get differing points of view.

  2. “Geoff is an artist whose integrity has always meant so much more than sales”

    Spitting always is a sign of integrity….*NOT* !!!

    1. Nikki you have conflated Geoff’s skills as an artist with his personal attributes. Integrity – the act of being true to one’s self – is neither proved nor disproved by an unguarded act of childish frustration, and is anyway unconnected with Geoff’s integrity as a working artist. Geoff the person may be a great philanthropist or a perfect a*****le; I’ve never met the man and am unlikely to; but as an artist he has remained remarkably consistent to his own values. Presumably, as you judge artists by behaviour rather than output, you would rate the Sex pistols (who spat, swore and generally offended everyone in sight), Pink Floyd (Roger spat on a fan, not even his own band mates!) Nirvana (Kurt Cobain regularly spat on cameras, camera men and anyone else in range) and many more such artists as lacking in integrity? I don’t condone Geoff’s behaviour and make no comment upon it in the review – it is immaterial – but if you can’t separate uncivilised behaviour from music then you must have a small record collection indeed.

  3. Unfortunately, Tate for many years has hijacked QR and molded the band (which he was NOT a founding of) according to his own values. That this album sounds like a modern QR album (using the same outside writers he’s used to pass off QR albums) is no coincidence. There is literally no difference. And it would appear that everything his ex bandmates said in their depositions is 100% true. And the marketplace has spoken for years with regard to Tate’s vision. Extremely poor album sales (even for the digital download era) and extremely poor critical reception. In fact, this is one of the first positive reviews i’ve seen. It’s getting skewered pretty much everywhere else.

    I DO take character in account in choosing whom I support with my disposable income, and judging by the response across the net i’m not the only by any means. Geoff Tate’s career is over, as evidenced by his current tour of the dive bar circuit and extremely poor turnout. Tate’s ego and behavior are disgusting and to this day he has not apologized to his ex bandmates for spitting on them repeatedly onstage. The near universal ridicule for him is well deserved.

    1. As I’ve already commented on my feelings regarding factoring in an artist’s personality when judging their music, I’ll not resort to repeating myself. However I do find it fascinating that throughout this whole exchange Geoff Tate has been accused of “Hijacking” Queensryche. Did the other members not actually play? Did they all say “no, Geoff, we don’t want to play on ‘Hear in the now frontier'” and then get forced into it? Were they bribed? I mean I understand from the charges (of which I have yet to see any evidence that they are “100% accurate” by the way) that Geoff was potentially violent – are you now saying he battered them into submission on all those albums while they sobbed quietly in the background? How does one man hijack a band exactly? There must have been some level of agreement or those songs simply wouldn’t have been played for so long by that group of musicians.

      Don’t misunderstand me – you’re welcome to your opinion and it’s cool you felt strongly enough to write in – I just fail to understand why everyone has overlooked the simple factor that Geoff Tate simply did not have the power to “hijack” the band. The other members of Queensryche were willing partners up until the point they saw more money elsewhere and thus far it seems that no-one has called them on that.

  4. I began listening to Queensryche during the Empire years (as so many others did also) and have followed them since. Subsequent albums were good, but when Q2K came out that pretty much started the decline of Queensryche. Although I did enjoy ‘Tribe’. Operation Mindrcime II was a disaster, American Solider no better and Dedicated to Chaos was just …… it just shouldn’t have been released in my opinion. So, Queensryche parts ways with Tate and he signs with Inside Out and here comes his second solo effort. I’m thinking, maybe he will deliver a solid release. Then again, maybe not. I agree with other reviewers on the web and his choice of Kelly Grey collaborating with him. Not a good choice. Q2K was so rigid, nothing flowed musically, back up vocal harmonies from that album onward were horrendous and this album follows suit. Tate used to have a fantastic voice, but age has shown its colors where he doesn’t have the range anymore. But that doesn’t mean you still can’t put out a quality record. You just need to rethink on how you put the songs together. Each release by Queensryche I would have some hope, but after every listen I questioned myself on why did I ever buy that. And that’s the case with this release. For me, just not a good listen, both musically and lyrically. For others who will enjoy this, good for them if this is their cup of tea. Music is subjective as in you think this is a great album and I’m on the opposite side of the spectrum. If you think of ‘Empire’ and what it was from all aspects; music, lyrics, rockers, ballads this album isn’t even close although it isn’t fair to compare but I just believe Tate could have done so much better in delivering his second solo album. Now I have to just stop myself from purchasing anything else by Geoff Tate. I hate being disappointed time and time again.

    1. A very measured and thoughtful comment – thank you. It’s a shame you don’t like the new disc – we thought it was really good but, as you say, music is a very subjective thing.

  5. I will leave it at this. For a man such as Tate and always providing thoughtful and insightful lyrics the verse “she rides me hard like an exercise machine” from the song ‘Say U Luv It’ is downright disgusting and immature. I didn’t know he reverted back to his high school back of the car days. That’s the best he can do at this stage in his life and career? I try not to get caught up in all the drama, but instead will rate an album based on its own merits and sorry to say, this album is sorely lacking any sort of merit. But hey, I’m glad someone likes it, just not me. He has the potential to do so much more and he chose not to. Sad, very sad indeed! Poor sales, poor reviews and poor turnout to his shows will maybe wake him up, but I doubt it. Oh well. Looking forward now to the new Spock’s Beard, Enchant, Riverside and Steve Lukather albums early next year. Cheers!

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